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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chop

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forker joined by

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lon strickler from phantoms and monsters

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here again this week with a fantastic

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show

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for you our listeners are great

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listeners we call you

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the people of the arcane and lon how are

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ah been a busy week i'm doing pretty

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good though

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uh kind of wore out be honest with you

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but uh

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it's been some interesting stuff going

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on a busy week i know because i

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no sooner came back from mothman and had

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to divulge into the

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world of everyday real life which sucks

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but

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someone's got to do it that's weird so i

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was there doing that i was on an

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eight-day bender

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of work and now i'm back today

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and we're gonna have a great time great

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yeah um of course we've got a lot of

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things

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going on the next week or so and uh

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uh you know with this dog land thing in

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central pa

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and of course uh i'm going to mention

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tonight's guest mr stephen ellis who's

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you know he he's kind of in been

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uh researching the paranormal for about

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40 years but

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specifically the afterlife reincarnation

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and such so he wrote a book a few years

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back

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uh title explaining the unexplained and

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he's going to be joining us a little bit

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later today

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tonight and uh you know we'll see what

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he has to say it should be very

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interesting but as far as

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what's going on with us well i

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had received a really interesting report

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you always get the interesting stuff

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well yeah but you know it keeps things

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going and of course

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i'm we're in a position now where we can

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actually you know go out and check these

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things out

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um you know unlike the you know the dog

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situations that's been going on in

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central pa

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uh this happened in um this was a flying

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humanoid encounter

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that had multiple witnesses near

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littlestown pa now

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littlestown pa is in south central pa

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in adams county and it's it's just a

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stone's throw

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from the mason dixon line so

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uh you know it's almost into maryland

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it's an area there and it's it's

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uh five or six miles from gettysburg

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so uh anyway i got to report on the 20

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uh on the 25th and this is

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uh this is what the witness had to say

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he said me my wife and three daughters

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are driving down a dark road in

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littlestown pennsylvania

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about 10 o'clock at night my wife was

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driving i was in the passenger front

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and my three daughters are in the back

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of the minivan we were coming around the

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and my wife and two of my daughters

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screamed out

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and said they saw a human-sized

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butterfly

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passed in front of the minivan

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it flew about 20 feet in front of the

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minivan and straight across the road and

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then disappeared

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they say it looked like a giant giant

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with no head and was moving very very

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i didn't see it because i was looking

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out the side window

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and you say just happened a few days ago

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now that's

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that's all i got from the uh

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you know by email so of course they did

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give me a contact information

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and i got on the horn immediately with

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this uh

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they also added that this encounter

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occurred on

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september 23rd at around 10 p.m

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on teeter road which is southwest of

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littlestown pennsylvania near

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the quail valley golf course and it's

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approximately a mile

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and mount 1.3 miles north of the mason

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ticket line

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the driver who was which was the wife

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and the two oldest daughters who were 18

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and 13

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witnessed the being it was described as

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descriptions

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with huge butterfly-like wings now one

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of the daughters said the wings looked

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the wings had no feathers they were

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the color of the body and the wings was

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almost a whitish pink hue

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the being quickly flew directly across

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about five foot above the surface it was

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well illuminated by the headlight

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and was about 10 to 15 foot in front of

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the van

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so it was fairly close uh the wings did

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not move or flap

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it came from the area of the golf course

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south across teeter road into a small

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patch of woods

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now you know it's obvious to me that

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this encounter shook these witnesses up

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i mean even to the point

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where their voices were shaking

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and uh they were strongly emphasizing

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what they seen

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and in fact one of the girls wouldn't

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even talk she was that shook up

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you know i think i think it's important

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to note as well

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that this location was approximately

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miles southwest of

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my initials in the conewago fam

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now i'm not saying that this is what

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that was

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but it just seems very interesting that

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this is another flying humanoid type

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seen that close you know together so

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who knows who knows what's going on but

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i uh i am going down there i am going to

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go up there and check that out i'm going

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to look at it over

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uh sometime within the next week or so

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and see if i can get a hold of witness

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maybe one of them will go out with me

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i do have some i did put some images on

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on the website from google

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uh to where this actually happened uh

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being a night

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pretty open area other than where the

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woods were went into because it was

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uh now i grew up around this area i i

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was born in hanover which is

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uh i born and grown in and grew up in

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hanover pennsylvania

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which is only like four miles

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north of littlestown and um

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four or five miles north of littlestown

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so this littlest town

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gettysburg andrew area i'm very familiar

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uh but i've honestly i i've never heard

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of anything like this being seen there

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close to the maryland border

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i mean it could have been here but it

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was heading that way so it could have

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gone into maryland as well

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so that's well that's all i know at the

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points point but uh

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it's a very interesting setting and and

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that you know three people saw it

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uh substantiated as far as i'm concerned

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you know maybe something else will come

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up maybe somebody will see something

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else later

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well they hope so yeah the interesting

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stories that we're getting uh

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specifically around these

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flying humanoid encounters lawn and i

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just wish we knew more about them we had

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well you know you know the whole mothman

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thing and then of course there have been

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other type of flying humanoid sightings

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you know i kind of clap you know really

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i shouldn't do it but i kind of always

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as these things as basically being the

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you know i mean is it natural is it

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inter-dimensional is it you know

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something that's

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engineered or whatever i i don't know i

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don't know you know

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but uh this sighting in particular just

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the way

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tends to make me think it may have been

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natural some

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you know i don't know it's uh

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the whole thing was covered in this type

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of membrane

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with no no wings almost like

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a huge bat a huge white what is like our

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i don't know but then again it's

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pennsylvania you never know what's going

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to be seen in pennsylvania

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and uh you know actually

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from an individual who's going to be

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going to start helping us with this

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central pennsylvania uh dogman thing but

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um he has sent butch and i

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large dossier of dogman sightings in

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pennsylvania

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and in the surrounding states but he had

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a personal encounter when he was younger

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and he doesn't remember the exact date

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in 1963

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but it was only his grandmother's

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property

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um i'm just going to go ahead and read

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what he

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stated then i got there's some other

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things i want to state

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after that um you know i'm not making an

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official report

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because as long as so long ago and i

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have always brushed this instant

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off at the time i was about eight to 11

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and i can't recall what year exactly he

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said in 1960-63

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since this was many years ago and nobody

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believed me since i was a kid

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i was spending the summer at my

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grandma's house on shank road

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in middletown maryland which is in

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frederick county

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as i had for a couple years in a row i

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welcome the summers i spent with grandma

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except for the darn outhouse

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and believe me i can i can relate to

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because i i spent time at a relatives in

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they had an announced uh if i had to go

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i was it was a nuisance having to take

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grandma with me which meant waking her

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it was an awful part of being there now

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one late night i had to get up and use

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the outhouse and it was stark black

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my lamppost or outdoor lighting lined

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the main lane grandma had electricity

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but it was only for the house inside

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of it in appliances she had a tv a very

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old floor model and nobody watched it

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anyway since there was not much tv

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early 60s

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i had to be like 3 a.m when i ventured

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outside

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i didn't take a flashlight and i didn't

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want to wake grandma

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up for finding the flashlight or her to

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walk me to the outhouse

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the outhouse is located far from the

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main grouping of structures

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on a property in the main house for

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obvious reasons

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it was not a full moon more like a half

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moon that night

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but enough nighttime illumination in the

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sky that my eyes adjusted quickly to see

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the grounds

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now i could easily navigate my way using

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grandma's long and narrow

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flower garden as a guiding trail my

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biggest fear

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was the black snakes and copperheads

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because i was worn

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constantly to look out for them i

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have made it down to the outhouse and

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don't even remember hearing

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the usual night noises like crickets and

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outs it seemed almost too quiet

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i was a sharp and smart kid with a great

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imagination but not enough

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to make this story up i felt an uncanny

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sensation

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being watched and i started getting

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scared

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i left the outhouse peaked outside first

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and for some reason

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i wanted to run back to the house

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getting to safety as quickly as possible

323
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it was a rough and long run and i tired

324
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quickly and began walking the last few

325
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hundred feet

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to the ports of the house something told

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me to look back

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or had been to this day i wish i hadn't

329
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what i saw was an impossible sight

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this animal stepping through the

331
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backyard of my grandma's property

332
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just past the garden about 10 foot past

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the outhouse

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it was this upright furry creature with

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dog with a dog

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wolf head now i have owned german

337
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shepherds from the age of seven so the

338
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head was almost similar

339
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to the ears and snoot of a german

340
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shepherd dog

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i stopped dead in my tracks not

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believing my eyes because it's

343
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impossible

344
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it had arms that had claw-like hands and

345
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hung out in front of it as it turned its

346
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head it looked right at me the eyes

347
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looked yellow and super reflective

348
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chills shut up my spine as it quickly

349
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walked on two legs

350
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and he said look like real dog legs

351
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bending backwards

352
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traveling from left to right past your

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garden

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into the old gravel lane then across

355
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across into the thicker

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woods where it disappeared i heard the

357
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rustling through the weeds

358
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it may have initially traveled from the

359
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usual full cowl pasture that was

360
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up an incline past the spring and up to

361
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the cow pasture

362
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that was behind grandma's house i

363
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shuttered to think it was hiding behind

364
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the outhouse

365
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i was in but that is a distinct

366
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,000
possibility as

367
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well now ever since that night after

368
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being teased of the cliche of seeing

369
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the big bad wolf at grandma's house

370
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nobody believed me and thought

371
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i made the story up for attention like

372
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the imaginary friend syndrome for kids

373
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from those teasing me i just put it all

374
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behind me bury the story forever and

375
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:48,880
never told

376
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:52,160
another human being this tale until now

377
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:55,519
i just turned 62 years old this year

378
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and i'm sharing this tale you now like i

379
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said it's

380
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too late not just too late now to submit

381
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an official report

382
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i can't even remember which year

383
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:06,560
occurred but i will never forget that

384
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:07,120
creature

385
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:10,160
until our day i die now the interesting

386
00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:11,519
thing about this

387
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:14,720
in that area that frederick area

388
00:15:18,629 --> 00:15:17,199
is in central pennsylvania excuse me

389
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:18,639
central maryland in

390
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:22,639
the piedmont there is a

391
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:26,560
legendary beast called the duo

392
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:30,399
it's the maryland dog man and

393
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:33,279
what i found interesting in this account

394
00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:34,079
was

395
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:38,839
that this same area middletown maryland

396
00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:48,389
encounter back in 1944

397
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and in fact it was actually posted in

398
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the frederick

399
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:57,040
news post uh in 1965 which was

400
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:00,480
after this other sighting by you know

401
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,680
this new sighting that i received and

402
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:06,320
uh it was titled the mysterious duo

403
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:08,639
loose in county

404
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:11,759
and uh that happened on the outskirts of

405
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:14,320
gabriel state parks which is right there

406
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,959
right outside middleton so uh

407
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,360
you know it had had almost the same type

408
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:23,360
of description

409
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:26,240
i don't think this witness was aware of

410
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:26,959
that

411
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,639
um i don't know there was another

412
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:31,839
sighting

413
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:35,519
in erie in 66

414
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,759
and then in 1976

415
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:41,839
there was a sighting in frederick county

416
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,320
near thurmont

417
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:47,040
uh between the cunningham state falls

418
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:50,480
and catholic mountain national park

419
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which is uh just over the border from

420
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:54,959
pennsylvania

421
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and really only like eight or nine miles

422
00:17:02,790 --> 00:16:59,759
from gettysburg

423
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,800
so here we are again with this kind of

424
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,520
same general overall area where

425
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:07,199
something weird is being

426
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,829
a long time and then there was another

427
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:15,039
sighting

428
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:18,720
actually in 1978

429
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:21,919
near cunningham falls

430
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:25,360
and uh you know

431
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,440
robin swope actually wrote an article

432
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,840
not too long ago about a sighting in

433
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:32,960
2009

434
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,080
in myersville maryland so

435
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:38,720
i don't know you know i'm not really

436
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,760
familiar with this

437
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,840
i did you know i didn't write an article

438
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:43,840
about it years ago

439
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,720
but uh i haven't received any specific

440
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:48,559
reports until now

441
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,679
of any anybody seeing this thing

442
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,559
but this is a this is a report that you

443
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:56,880
know i guess we can put on the pile

444
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,320
of the uh well it makes sense to keep it

445
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:01,840
and you know when we think about these

446
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,039
sightings happening so long ago lon

447
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,480
you know information traveled

448
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,840
differently back then they didn't have

449
00:18:10,909 --> 00:18:09,440
the world wide web to go to in the

450
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,919
search and they couldn't go to

451
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:12,799
phantomsandmonsters.com and click in dog

452
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,080
man and search

453
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,760
the extensive databases these things

454
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,200
were passed by word of mouth

455
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,960
newspaper clippings you know local

456
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,640
legend so

457
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:22,160
that in my opinion they have a little

458
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,919
bit more credibility

459
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:25,919
than maybe something we get today just

460
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,799
because of that

461
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:31,120
yeah i i think you're right and you know

462
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,400
i think the same way

463
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,440
uh you know it takes

464
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,240
it took a lot of trouble back then to

465
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:40,240
you know

466
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,919
go through the encounter then get a hold

467
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,880
of share for somebody explain to him

468
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:47,200
or talk to some reporter or whatever

469
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,640
because you know

470
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,720
it was an instantaneous type of thing

471
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,320
like it is now

472
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,280
and uh yeah and it does add to the

473
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:57,440
credibility

474
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,549
so you know this is something you know

475
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,960
this is something else that

476
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:06,640
you know and i could just weigh those

477
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:08,400
studies i could really tie this

478
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,480
into a lot of this uh central pa thing

479
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:14,080
because really

480
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,440
you know you're not really talking about

481
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,080
a whole lot of distance

482
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,799
uh and and these are uh and these are

483
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:23,679
historical sightings

484
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,600
um you know

485
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,080
you know i you know i don't know what

486
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,400
butch and them are getting into

487
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,640
but uh you know i thought it was kind of

488
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,160
funny when you put the reference up

489
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,440
about the silver bullet yeah well you

490
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,720
know we got to be prepared to take these

491
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,240
things down

492
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,640
and i mean that jokingly of course but

493
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,640
we have to be prepared to uh

494
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,400
to go after these things with everything

495
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:48,320
we've got but no seriousness

496
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,760
i you know this has really you know been

497
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:53,200
on the forefront of my mind because of

498
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:54,320
these recent sightings we've been

499
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,200
getting in

500
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:57,200
and i know we've gotten them last year

501
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,480
but really since the beginning of this

502
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,320
year since january when you received

503
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,919
that report

504
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,240
they've just been pouring in at an

505
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,080
accelerated rate and sometimes i wonder

506
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,559
if maybe we're causing this but

507
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,080
perhaps it's just another outlet for

508
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,840
people to report

509
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,360
what you know what that what they're

510
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,400
really seeing what they're really

511
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,840
experiencing and i want to be out there

512
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,039
and investigating this i know this

513
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,400
weekend

514
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,559
uh butch watkowski is going to be out

515
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,760
there with a team

516
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,919
to really start getting getting into

517
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,960
these areas

518
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,440
with a fine-tooth comb putting out bait

519
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,520
stations you know really

520
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,880
getting the equipment out there to see

521
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,880
if we can get something on film

522
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,440
something physical just something that

523
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:37,200
can lead more credence to what people

524
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,310
yeah and you know and

525
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,080
the way they're going about it in the

526
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,919
equipment they're using is actually

527
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,960
something

528
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,200
much different than anybody else that i

529
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,669
i mean they're setting up a base camp

530
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,840
in an area that has known for strange

531
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,720
phenomena

532
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,280
they've got two sightings that were

533
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:06,640
fresh

534
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:09,919
in that area uh they

535
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,559
got another story just the other night

536
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:15,280
or something that happened there

537
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,919
uh previously and of course after they

538
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,080
actually investigate this specific area

539
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,919
in clearfield county

540
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,159
then they're going to be going i think

541
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:28,320
the next one will be south from there

542
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,559
into uh cambria and and blair counties

543
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:35,600
where we've actually got three

544
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:39,120
fresh sightings and a historical signing

545
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:39,360
as

546
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,880
well uh and actually two three of those

547
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:44,320
sightings happened in

548
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,240
one small town park

549
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,280
which uh is very interesting so

550
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:54,000
you know we'll see what comes up but you

551
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,039
know it's it's

552
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,080
uh hopefully we can get

553
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,720
some answers to what's going on here and

554
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,080
uh

555
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,600
you know we'll see well speaking about

556
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:07,200
getting answers tonight's show is going

557
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,320
to be something a little different

558
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,200
something we don't

559
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,400
typically talk about a lot one and it's

560
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,520
mainly because i don't have any

561
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,799
experience with it because i've never

562
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,440
been there but

563
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,480
uh life after death the afterlife and

564
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,320
all kinds of things that uh

565
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,600
you know kind of relate to that so

566
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,039
tonight's guest is stephen ellis is

567
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,960
somebody i'm not familiar with

568
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,280
but uh lon he's been writing articles

569
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,799
and you've been posting on phantoms and

570
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,640
monsters for some time now and if folks

571
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,520
you don't know what phantoms and

572
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:33,039
monsters is shame on you you've been

573
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,679
listening long enough

574
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,440
phenomenalmonsters.com so tonight about

575
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,400
stephen stephen

576
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,720
ellis is an author of the best-selling

577
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,280
book explaining the unexplained

578
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,960
in the past he has been a successful

579
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,559
businessman as well as an economic

580
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,520
advisor to former la mayor sam jordy

581
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,440
presently he is serving his fifth

582
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,520
four-year term of office as a referee

583
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,240
for the superior court of california

584
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,720
in 1979 while on a business trip to san

585
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,840
francisco

586
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,440
he had an incident involving a ghost

587
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,600
that completely changed his life

588
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,919
this started almost 40 years of research

589
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,440
into the paranormal

590
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,679
his research and critical examination of

591
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,760
people claiming to have lived before he

592
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,200
has uh

593
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,039
lived before has resulted in his

594
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,960
unequivocal belief that when our bodies

595
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,760
die

596
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,400
our consciousness survives and whether

597
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:22,159
we call it an immortal soul or an

598
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,360
afterlife

599
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:25,120
our minds and thoughts will continue to

600
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,400
live far beyond the time

601
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,559
our bodies are sent to the grave and

602
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,760
it's going to be a pleasure to have him

603
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,039
on the show here

604
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,880
uh tonight with us lon something new

605
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:34,640
something different

606
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,310
yeah i mean this is something that i

607
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:42,480
really don't

608
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,799
or look into you know comes up

609
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,559
every once in a while in a case i'm

610
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,039
involved with and uh from working with a

611
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,480
client

612
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,679
uh but of course you know i'm dealing

613
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:56,080
with

614
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,799
energies

615
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,360
and uh you know it's always been

616
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
something that

617
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,679
i've got questions about so possibly

618
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,600
stephen will be able to

619
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
you know answer some of these questions

620
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,400
but it's an interesting subject and

621
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,720
uh it's one thing that's going to affect

622
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,720
all of us eventually

623
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,200
so let's see what uh we'll see what

624
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,480
comes out of it

625
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,120
and folks welcome back arcane radio sean

626
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,559
fork and launch strickler and tonight's

627
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:27,760
guest mr stephen

628
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,960
ellis as we gave his uh intro before the

629
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,440
break

630
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:33,120
we're glad to have him on lon go ahead

631
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,720
and get us started

632
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,960
well stephen it's glad i'm glad to have

633
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,880
you on actually i'm glad to be able to

634
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,039
talk to you for the first time

635
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,240
uh you you wrote this book

636
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,159
uh explain the young explains several

637
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,520
years ago

638
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:50,559
and uh you've been writing this

639
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,080
this 14-part essay on fams and monsters

640
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,159
which was very interesting got some very

641
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,279
good

642
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:00,960
feedback uh thanks for joining us

643
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,799
well my pleasure uh

644
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:07,360
interesting it's interesting that you uh

645
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:08,000
would

646
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,559
the book you see i have a i take really

647
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,000
a very different

648
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:19,600
approach to uh the paranormal i look at

649
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,159
everything

650
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,760
objectively and not not with my personal

651
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,799
prejudices or or what i would like to be

652
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:27,600
so

653
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,400
it's it's a it's really written

654
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,799
objectively i use the facts

655
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,799
you know i'm a i'm a referee for the

656
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,240
superior court

657
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,279
and i and i deal in facts and so i try

658
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,200
and deal that way with the

659
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:48,640
paranormal and it's it it just

660
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:52,000
has opened up a whole vista of

661
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,960
of interesting things well maybe you can

662
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:58,559
take us back to

663
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:01,919
when you had your encounter 35 years ago

664
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,600
and we can go from there okay okay from

665
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:07,520
san francisco

666
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,320
uh the story is is very very simple

667
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:15,039
i had some business up in san francisco

668
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,600
and i was

669
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,240
going to be up there for about six

670
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,039
months

671
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,919
and i did not want to stay in a hotel

672
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,080
room for six months

673
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:27,760
so i rented a furnished apartment

674
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,400
on dolores street in san francisco

675
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:35,360
and a unit which is very similar to

676
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,320
oakwood

677
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,440
a very large complex with

678
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,400
uh furnished apartments and some

679
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,240
unfurnished i guess but

680
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:47,520
uh anyhow i went i i

681
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,120
my first night in the apartment

682
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,320
i went to bed and

683
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,600
i guess about 1am i

684
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,640
i just was not feeling comfortable so i

685
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,240
opened my eyes

686
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,279
and there in my in in the room with

687
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:08,559
me was a very attractive blonde

688
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:12,320
girl i'd say early 20s about 23

689
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:16,000
24 years old she was wearing a tan

690
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:20,559
pants suit and a page boy hairdo

691
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:24,640
uh very minor jewelry

692
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,240
and i mean i saw her so vividly

693
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:30,320
now normally i don't object to finding a

694
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,279
beautiful girl

695
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,960
in my room in this in this particular

696
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,480
case it scared me

697
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
all right so i asked her who are you

698
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,919
what do you want

699
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,000
she didn't answer but she folded her

700
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,240
arms crossed her arms in front of her

701
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,919
and looked at me

702
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,159
so i bent over and i turned on the night

703
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:51,440
lamp on the table next to the bed

704
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,360
and she was gone so i

705
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,840
being being the kind of person i am in

706
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,840
the training that i've had

707
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,960
i simply figured well this is just one

708
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,640
of those things where you're half asleep

709
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,720
half awake

710
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:09,520
and you and it's kind of like a dream

711
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:09,919
that's

712
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,559
apartment i found no trace of anyone

713
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,760
else

714
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,240
and now to save time because we're on

715
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:19,679
the radio

716
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,080
let's fast forward about three weeks

717
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:27,760
san francisco had one of those rare

718
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,039
rare san francisco days where the sky

719
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:33,600
was clear the sun was bright

720
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,360
and the temperature was in the 80s and

721
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,600
that very rarely happens and it was on a

722
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,039
sunday

723
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,919
so everybody in the entire complex is

724
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,720
out by the pool in the complex

725
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:49,919
and san francisco being what it is

726
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,600
uh some young guy kind of hit on me a

727
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,559
bit

728
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,960
but it that didn't bother me because

729
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,960
while i'm not homosexual i'm not

730
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,000
homophobic

731
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,039
either so it was nice to have somebody

732
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,360
to talk to i didn't know anybody

733
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
so we were talking and i made the

734
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,760
comment i said you know you really do

735
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,559
have a

736
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,520
beautiful physique that's all he had to

737
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,039
hear because he went

738
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,960
excuse me i'll be right back he goes

739
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,720
running up to his apartment

740
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,600
comes back with a stack of pictures of

741
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,120
him posing like

742
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,840
mr america and most of the pictures were

743
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,880
taken by that

744
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,919
very same pool and as he's going

745
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,559
as he's going through the pictures i

746
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,919
said stop

747
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,399
because in the background to where he

748
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,600
was posing

749
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:40,399
were two girls uh they were not wearing

750
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:40,880
pant

751
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,440
and i but but one of the two girls was

752
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,600
absolutely no question about it

753
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,640
was the girl i had seen in uh

754
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,760
when i was half asleep in my room

755
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,600
so i asked her do you know the girl's

756
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,440
name and he said yes and he gave me her

757
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,640
name

758
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,480
i said do you know where i can contact

759
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,720
her

760
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:08,080
and he looked at me so strangely he said

761
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,799
didn't they

762
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,399
tell you she was murdered in your

763
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:12,399
apartment about three weeks before you

764
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,149
and that's what started that's what

765
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:19,520
started me

766
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,440
on a completely new branch of life

767
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:26,640
studying the paranormal is it possible

768
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,159
that that the walls

769
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,559
were that the inanimate wall somehow

770
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,399
bore the memories of a

771
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,200
horrific event that took place there or

772
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:39,039
maybe

773
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,000
knows

774
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,520
so i decided to start exploring

775
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,559
and finding out what i could about

776
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,760
uh the paranormal and it's

777
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,559
it's been not only life-changing but it

778
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:57,440
has

779
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,509
um now as as a result of this

780
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,640
incident what what was what did you

781
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,679
start looking for how did you begin

782
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,039
to your research into this phenomenon

783
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,720
well the first thing i did was i wanted

784
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,320
to check that she was really the same

785
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,840
girl that was

786
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,840
murdered in my room it was the same one

787
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,840
that i saw and i went to the

788
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:26,720
san francisco examiner's office and i

789
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,669
some of the back issues and i found that

790
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,919
that was the girl and she was murdered

791
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:37,519
by her boyfriend

792
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:41,519
in that apartment uh then i went to the

793
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,320
police and

794
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:44,320
the police were not very cooperative but

795
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,600
they gave me a little smattering of

796
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,919
information

797
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:52,000
then i said now wait a second if that

798
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,120
girl

799
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,000
had an image in that room how did that

800
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,760
happen

801
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,559
and so i decided that i was going to

802
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:02,880
start doing some reading on it

803
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,640
and the more i read the more i began to

804
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,000
realize that

805
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,039
there's a lot more to ghosts than just a

806
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:13,360
white sheet saying boo

807
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:16,880
right so uh

808
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,000
i i did start to study it and as i

809
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,760
started to study it i started to speak

810
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,519
to others about it

811
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,480
and i found other people that had some

812
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,039
ghostly experiences

813
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:32,399
and i spoke to them and i

814
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,159
i think my training was was enabling me

815
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,279
to separate the wheat from the chafe

816
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,320
and i those people who were just

817
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,240
uh trying to make themselves look

818
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,880
important or impressed me

819
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,880
i was able to discard and i found that

820
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,880
there were an awful lot of

821
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:53,919
uh people that had these experiences

822
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:57,760
so i actually put a put an ad

823
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,120
in a newspaper up there uh

824
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,880
if you've had a ghostly experience i'd

825
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,200
like to talk to you

826
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,640
and i start and i i got a lot of

827
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:10,960
telephone calls

828
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,640
and i interviewed an awful lot of people

829
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,600
and then i started to do some more

830
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:18,799
reading because

831
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,799
if there were ghosts what were ghosts

832
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,240
with a is this the immortal soul that

833
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,159
religion talks about

834
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,159
uh is there is there actually another

835
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:33,600
dimension that

836
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,840
exists with these where dead people can

837
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,200
exist

838
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,840
there are just so many questions that

839
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:43,679
were asked and

840
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,919
i think i must have spent a one-third of

841
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:49,200
every week

842
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,120
in the library reading on

843
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,240
on the subject and then as i and as i

844
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:58,640
read more and more i began to

845
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,320
get into the field of reincarnation was

846
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:04,720
it really reincarnated

847
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,800
or somehow did these people

848
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,159
bear the consciousness of people that

849
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:14,560
had died

850
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,200
and really really really fascinating and

851
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,560
as i say i look at everything

852
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,879
objectively i want proof

853
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,800
now you're not going to get proof like

854
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:26,639
in a in a

855
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:30,560
lab but there is there is a thing called

856
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,240
uh empirical evidence and

857
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,040
the empirical evidence began to become

858
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:39,679
so overwhelming

859
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,119
that i i just started to talk to more

860
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,119
people i started to

861
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,399
put out feelers

862
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,639
it was it's been a it's been an

863
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,119
interesting 35 years

864
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,839
yeah i can say and you know back in that

865
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,399
time

866
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,480
when you started this you know the

867
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,520
information as

868
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,839
compared to what there's out there now

869
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,119
it had to be pretty

870
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:06,079
minimal i mean you know you had to do a

871
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:06,640
lot of

872
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:13,680
i really did because uh

873
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,440
for example uh

874
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:20,400
there's a thing that we all have called

875
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:20,720
uh

876
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,160
an electromagnetic aura it's

877
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,359
it's it's there uh

878
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,599
you can you can't see it you can't feel

879
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,920
it but you can photograph it with

880
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,160
infrared film

881
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,280
and there was some experimentation being

882
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:38,720
done by people

883
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,240
who were interested in this

884
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,680
electromagnetic aura

885
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,800
and they ran uh

886
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,640
a motion picture or i guess you'd call

887
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:50,079
it a

888
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:54,880
a video on someone who was dying

889
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,119
and in infrared and the

890
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,880
when the person died the aura

891
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,000
stayed with the body for

892
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,119
oh maybe three or four minutes then it

893
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,680
began to rise and separated from the

894
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,280
body

895
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:16,720
went

896
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:20,560
up through the ceiling and

897
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:23,839
that was it yeah it was it was no longer

898
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:24,839
there

899
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:29,839
now to a to a rank amateur like myself

900
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:33,599
this was impressive yeah

901
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,800
i bet what was your uh so what was your

902
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:40,079
conclusion about the specter you had

903
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,640
scene

904
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,200
did you uh do you believe she just had

905
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,280
residual energy or

906
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,560
that there was uh you know that their

907
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:49,520
consciousness

908
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,520
was actually there in the room

909
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:56,000
well yeah her consciousness was there in

910
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,960
the room

911
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,920
and it was strong enough to actually

912
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,160
create something that was visual

913
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,359
and it was visual to me only because i

914
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:06,960
was half asleep

915
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:11,599
if i had been wide awake and alert

916
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:14,480
i probably would not have seen her right

917
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:14,800
but

918
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,079
as a as i have discovered as

919
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:21,280
my studies continued

920
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:25,119
we tend to pick up the consciousness of

921
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:25,920
the dead

922
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,359
when we sleep how many times have you

923
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,680
had been asleep and you have a dream

924
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,560
about somebody who's passed on

925
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:37,119
but they're but they're so real in the

926
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:38,320
dream you wonder

927
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,960
gee i don't even remember

928
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
i don't even remember some of the

929
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,480
details about this person

930
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:49,599
that i saw in the dream yeah

931
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:53,839
when when we sleep we tend to

932
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,280
open up our mind and

933
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,480
our ability to perceive the

934
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:03,599
uh the thoughts that are not coming from

935
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,000
the same

936
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:06,800
dimension that we live in and i do

937
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,440
believe

938
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:10,560
enough

939
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,720
unequivocably

940
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,520
yes there are other dimensions but

941
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,000
there's at

942
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,200
least one that

943
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:24,640
the dead go to now they may not

944
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:28,079
stay there because

945
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,720
uh people that i've spoken to who have

946
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,079
experience with reincarnation

947
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:39,599
say that they remember dying

948
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,800
they remember going to a waiting place

949
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,560
to come back

950
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,480
but that they had options if they could

951
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:47,680
have gone

952
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:51,119
as the stories go into the light or

953
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,730
whatever

954
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,119
[Music]

955
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,960
yeah you know it's it's it's interesting

956
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,320
because you know when i read

957
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,119
um you know you were talking about that

958
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,880
you have performed

959
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,440
hypnotic uh regression with some

960
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,560
individuals

961
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,079
and after i had i had actually

962
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,880
witnessed this people being put into

963
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,960
hypnotic regression

964
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,680
the the one thing that stands out is

965
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:18,880
that

966
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,240
when you do talk to them later they

967
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,280
they kind of mention that

968
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,920
when they pass they eventually end up in

969
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,880
an

970
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:32,000
area or a place where they wait for

971
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,040
another body

972
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,640
or you know i call it a way station

973
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,920
yes you know ron this is absolutely true

974
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,560
and there's

975
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,040
so many so many cases that i've read

976
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:44,560
about where

977
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:47,839
it's just it's just backed up as i said

978
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,400
you'll never

979
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:51,680
right but it's

980
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:55,599
it's obvious just by the overwhelming

981
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,000
weight of

982
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,839
evidence that uh this does happen

983
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:02,880
i think i i think i mentioned

984
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,720
uh in one of the one of the parts of the

985
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,200
live die and live again series that i

986
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,040
had been writing

987
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,240
that i hypnotized a group i

988
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,079
i used to do when i went to college i

989
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,079
should explain that

990
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,359
uh i used to go for weekends up to what

991
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,680
they call the borscht belt

992
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,400
which is upstate new york a bunch of

993
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,160
hotels

994
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,079
and i was going to long island

995
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,680
university

996
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,160
and i would go up on weekends and i

997
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,079
would entertain sometimes

998
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,920
as a magician sometimes as a hypnotist

999
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,160
and when i gave these hypnotism shows i

1000
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,240
would try to make them as entertaining

1001
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,400
as possible and not

1002
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,160
get too far into it but there had just

1003
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,000
been a book out called the search

1004
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,640
for bridey murphy now i'm sure you've

1005
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:55,839
heard of that book

1006
00:41:02,950 --> 00:40:59,680
yes and so

1007
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,960
just in having fun there was a girl who

1008
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,160
was one of my

1009
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,839
one of the subjects she was about 17.

1010
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,280
and i thought i would see what would

1011
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:11,920
happen if i tried to regress her back

1012
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,200
to the time before she was born as

1013
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,079
was done with uh teague and she became

1014
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,240
bridey murphy

1015
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,880
well this girl suddenly started to speak

1016
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:25,040
french

1017
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:31,520
but i'm fortunate that one of the people

1018
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,839
in the audience

1019
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,240
did speak french and she said the girl

1020
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,720
is speaking a very archaic

1021
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,760
type of french well

1022
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,119
i i gradually brought her back woke her

1023
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,800
up

1024
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,839
of course you remembered none of it but

1025
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,880
the thing is

1026
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,359
that i asked her well uh do you go to

1027
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,520
school yes

1028
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,599
what are you studying a language yes

1029
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:58,880
what he's studying

1030
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:02,319
spanish well are any are

1031
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,079
any of your family french no

1032
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,960
have you ever been to france no have you

1033
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,760
ever been to a

1034
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,720
french-speaking country no have your

1035
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:13,680
parents

1036
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:14,839
[Music]

1037
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,400
no so it

1038
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:21,520
it certainly opened up uh

1039
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,150
oh absolutely yeah that mean you know

1040
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,920
it's like i said i've um

1041
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:33,200
i've also witnessed this and uh

1042
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,040
it's it's fairly startling now we have

1043
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,400
you know i have seen regression

1044
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:43,680
used in in these in ufo sightings are

1045
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:46,880
in particular uh alien abductions

1046
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,480
and i you know i guess the jury is still

1047
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,280
out on that

1048
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,319
on how accurate that is or if it's

1049
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,599
actually you know

1050
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:58,160
you know if it's something that maybe

1051
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,040
they're making up

1052
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,040
i don't know well that's my questions on

1053
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:03,040
it is you know what's the validity of

1054
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,680
the uh

1055
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,240
regression you know hypnotic regression

1056
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,640
and i've heard it used many times but

1057
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,160
you know how valid is it

1058
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:15,599
maybe you can answer steve i i i believe

1059
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,000
it's

1060
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,119
very valid the only problem is that it

1061
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,680
doesn't always work

1062
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,720
i've hypnotized any number of people and

1063
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:26,960
tried to regress them back to a past

1064
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,000
life and not been successful in doing so

1065
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,400
but the couple of occasions when i have

1066
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:35,200
been

1067
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,760
successful uh are startling and

1068
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,640
there's no really other explanation

1069
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,480
available

1070
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,079
uh you know when you're hypnotized

1071
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,880
you go into a sleep that's really a

1072
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,280
little

1073
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,000
different than when you go to bed at

1074
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:54,960
night

1075
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,119
right uh the sleep is is deeper

1076
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,400
your your optic nerves your ear nerves

1077
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,079
your eardrums

1078
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:07,119
they they work differently

1079
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,320
for example uh i can tell

1080
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:11,359
[Music]

1081
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:15,760
uh i can tell a a man who's hypnotized

1082
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,160
that

1083
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,359
and put a an 80 year old woman in front

1084
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,720
of him and say

1085
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,319
when you open your eyes you're going to

1086
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,160
see the most beautiful

1087
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,720
sexy delightful thing you've ever seen

1088
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,520
hypnotized

1089
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,440
he'll open his eyes and you'll look at

1090
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:31,440
this 80 year old woman

1091
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,839
but what he'll see is the most

1092
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,560
delightful beautiful

1093
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,000
sexy woman he's ever seen now

1094
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,119
why is it why is it that the mind

1095
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,240
can override the optic nerve

1096
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:50,000
in the same sense i can tell

1097
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,400
i can tell him that uh every time i

1098
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:58,160
uh tap my foot he's going to hear a song

1099
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,119
playing uh

1100
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:01,200
i could give him the name of the song

1101
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:02,240
and i tap my

1102
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,839
foot and he'll he'll hear that song

1103
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,480
all of our senses the five senses by

1104
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:09,520
which

1105
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,599
we live in this world can be overridden

1106
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,880
under hypnosis which to me means

1107
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,599
that when you're hypnotized you're

1108
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,119
actually

1109
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,400
very close to another

1110
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:27,599
reality and that other reality

1111
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,119
and that other reality comes comes at

1112
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:33,359
you when you wake up you don't remember

1113
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,000
it

1114
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,440
uh sometimes you may have a dream

1115
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,400
uh a few nights later where some of it

1116
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,280
comes back

1117
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,960
to you but in but in fact you really

1118
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,079
don't

1119
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,480
remember because it didn't happen in

1120
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,720
this reality it happened in a different

1121
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:52,240
reality

1122
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:55,760
different dimension as i

1123
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,839
choose to call it i can't say for sure

1124
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,960
but it's

1125
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,280
it's very very possible in fact i would

1126
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,200
say it's probable

1127
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:09,280
yeah you know you you made a statement

1128
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,119
in um in the series where you

1129
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,720
you said there was almost all who

1130
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,440
claimed the previous lay under hypnosis

1131
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,359
were people whose earlier lives have

1132
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,800
been cut short

1133
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,040
some by accident some by illness and

1134
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,800
some by war

1135
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,359
you know i never really thought of that

1136
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:28,560
uh

1137
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,560
i i do know that um

1138
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:35,680
many earthbound spirits tend to be those

1139
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:36,079
that

1140
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,280
you know when they passed like they were

1141
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,359
you know murdered or they

1142
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,119
died so they murdered the died of

1143
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,960
sickness when they were 12 you know

1144
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,520
yeah yeah this happens it happens that

1145
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,359
way and it seems to be

1146
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,760
it seems to be consistent unfortunately

1147
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,960
i don't have a way of

1148
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,000
really measuring it except

1149
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,920
that every single time without exception

1150
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,040
that i have had someone

1151
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,240
communicate with uh a past

1152
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,560
life it was always a past life that was

1153
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,240
cut short

1154
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,560
for whatever reason it might have been

1155
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,240
yeah

1156
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,680
interesting um maybe you know there was

1157
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:24,880
a there was a

1158
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,559
case that you mentioned uh

1159
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,160
you know and it sounded familiar though

1160
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,839
i'm not sure it's the same one that i

1161
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,800
had heard of uh the reincarnation of uh

1162
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,920
shanti devi

1163
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,920
can you uh can you go through that and

1164
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,440
tell us about that

1165
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:42,240
i think it's very interesting which was

1166
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,280
that i'm sorry

1167
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:46,720
shantae debbie oh shanti debbie

1168
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,160
yeah there's a there's a reincarnation

1169
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:51,520
story that

1170
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,200
that would blow the mind off of anyone

1171
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:58,079
it's a story it's and by the way it's

1172
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:58,880
all been

1173
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:03,119
totally documented it's been verified

1174
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,119
there have been books written about it

1175
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,240
shanti devi was a girl born

1176
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,680
born to a poor home

1177
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:16,800
in a small village in india now

1178
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:20,559
if you have any ideas to what india is

1179
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:21,040
like

1180
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,119
away from delhi and calcutta or

1181
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,319
now they call it mombosa

1182
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:31,280
it's it's a very very crowded areas and

1183
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,760
they're just

1184
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:34,160
filled with tiny little homes little

1185
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,119
shanties

1186
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,160
where whole families live

1187
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,839
now when she was about

1188
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,800
five years old she started saying this

1189
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,720
is not my home

1190
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:49,920
my home is in a village which was about

1191
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:54,880
uh 40 kilometers away

1192
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,640
and her parents were well

1193
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,200
a little bit upset because she would say

1194
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:03,599
i have a husband there

1195
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:09,270
nobody would listen to her but when she

1196
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,319
went to school

1197
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,440
as she in the first grade she told the

1198
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,720
same story to her teacher

1199
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:19,920
and her teacher was curious and he said

1200
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:23,599
well tell you what let me have the

1201
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,440
name of your husband and the address

1202
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,640
where you used to live use as you said

1203
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,839
in a previous life and

1204
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,880
uh he wrote a letter to him just asked

1205
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:38,640
if anyone in his

1206
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,839
family had died and

1207
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,640
in recent years and he was very

1208
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,880
surprised when he got a letter back from

1209
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:48,319
the

1210
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:54,720
my wife who i married when she was about

1211
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,109
she she died giving birth to her second

1212
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,440
child

1213
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:08,559
and that was only about

1214
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:13,520
uh two years before shanti was born

1215
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,280
so the teacher called the newspapers and

1216
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,800
said you know this is this is something

1217
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,319
that i think you might want to write

1218
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,319
about

1219
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,319
so the newspaper sent some reporters

1220
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,000
over to talk to shanti devi

1221
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,760
and shanti described her life

1222
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,240
in this other village the house that she

1223
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,400
lived in and so forth and it

1224
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,960
it made very big news in the indian

1225
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,720
newspapers as a matter of fact it made

1226
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,599
news in the world newspapers

1227
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:44,640
and so there were there was a

1228
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,160
group of skeptics

1229
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,359
that wanted to prove this child was just

1230
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,960
uh talking through her to her

1231
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,119
i'll be polite on the air through her

1232
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:58,720
nose

1233
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,559
and uh they wanted to just prove that

1234
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:04,720
this was

1235
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:08,000
phony so they said tell you what we'll

1236
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,559
take you

1237
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,480
back to the village and we'll let you

1238
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,160
identify

1239
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,400
the place that you used to live and they

1240
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:15,760
took her on a

1241
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,200
uh i guess a cart bus or whatever they

1242
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,040
had in those days it was very early

1243
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:23,680
1900s

1244
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,599
and they intentionally stopped at a

1245
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,520
different village

1246
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,480
and shanty devi when she got out of the

1247
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:34,240
vehicle she said no

1248
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,839
that's that's not that's not my town

1249
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,400
so they said well we made a mistake

1250
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,240
we'll go on further

1251
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:44,960
they took her to the right place where

1252
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:45,359
she

1253
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,040
they tried to lead her in the wrong

1254
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,720
direction

1255
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
but she refused to go she knew exactly

1256
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:58,960
where she wanted to go

1257
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,000
she recognized the house that she said

1258
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,440
she used to live in

1259
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:06,160
even though it had been modernized a

1260
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,800
little bit

1261
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,839
not too much and then they even tried to

1262
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,839
fool her further by

1263
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,559
having some actor pretend that he was

1264
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,200
the

1265
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,359
her former husband while her former

1266
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:19,839
husband was hiding in the crowd

1267
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:23,280
and she picked him out right away

1268
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,359
then she since he didn't believe

1269
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760
what this little girl was saying she

1270
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,440
whispered to him

1271
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,559
certain things about his anatomy

1272
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,520
that no one but a wife would have known

1273
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:39,200
right

1274
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,640
wow and he and he not only

1275
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,520
had to acknowledge the fact that she

1276
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,480
knew

1277
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,040
too much not to have not to have known

1278
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,880
him intimately

1279
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:55,920
and then uh there was a

1280
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,440
uh an award a nobel winning

1281
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,200
author i can't even think of his name

1282
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,920
right now sir something

1283
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,720
who interviewed her and wrote a wrote a

1284
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,319
book about it and it got

1285
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,599
international recognition and the

1286
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,880
details that she

1287
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,839
gave of her previous life could not

1288
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:17,119
possibly

1289
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:24,710
now the question is though did she

1290
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:28,400
was she actually reincarnated as as a

1291
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:32,240
little girl or somehow

1292
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:35,680
was her brain open to picking up

1293
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,200
the waves of the dead woman who

1294
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:42,319
had died there yeah

1295
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,160
you know and of course now this is

1296
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,200
they were probably hindus

1297
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,359
and you know the the actual religion of

1298
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,880
hinduism i mean

1299
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,440
reincarnation is part of that religion

1300
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,319
it's you know

1301
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,559
a lot of what they believe in is based

1302
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,319
on reincarnation

1303
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:03,839
uh was there any did anybody

1304
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:07,040
in the religious community uh make any

1305
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,319
statements that you know

1306
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:11,680
of about this well none that none that i

1307
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,480
know of i'm

1308
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:15,680
sure absolutely positive that

1309
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,680
uh someone from hindu religion

1310
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,920
had something to say about that about

1311
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,000
the story of shanty daddy

1312
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,319
uh i mean it would be it would be just

1313
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:28,079
so unlikely that they would

1314
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:32,559
bypass uh a proof of reincarnation

1315
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,640
uh so i can't say that i

1316
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:41,680
it's a fascinating story it is and it's

1317
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,000
just

1318
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,640
one of many i mean i could i could give

1319
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,720
you the story for example of james

1320
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,000
mcgreedy

1321
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,839
uh there's a little boy recently about

1322
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:54,319
oh maybe 10-15 years ago

1323
00:55:03,510 --> 00:54:58,960
his name was oh

1324
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:03,520
his name was james lanninger

1325
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,440
now james lenninger when he was

1326
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,599
he was always interested in aircraft

1327
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:10,720
even as a little

1328
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,720
toddler but his mother bought him

1329
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,760
a toy uh airplane

1330
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,680
which was supposed to have been a world

1331
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,079
war ii fighter plane

1332
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:24,079
and she even pointed to the bottom and

1333
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,200
said you see

1334
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,839
it's got a it's even got a bomb attached

1335
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,119
to the toy

1336
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:31,359
and he said no that's not a bomb that's

1337
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,839
what they call a drop

1338
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,920
box well

1339
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,640
his mother had never heard of a drop box

1340
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,760
a matter of fact most

1341
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,760
people have never heard of a dropbox

1342
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,839
unless you happen to have

1343
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,119
the unless you happen to be very

1344
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:48,000
familiar with world war ii aircraft

1345
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:52,400
right and then

1346
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:56,319
then about three years later when he was

1347
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,599
about five

1348
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,680
he started having nightmares started

1349
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,359
waking up at night

1350
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:04,240
and screaming uh and his mother would

1351
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,119
come in and say

1352
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:07,119
what's the matter and he'd say my

1353
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,230
and she'd say well where did this happen

1354
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,440
and he would say over the ocean well who

1355
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,720
shot you down

1356
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,079
and the little boy would look at his

1357
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:26,470
now this is years after the world war ii

1358
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,200
ended

1359
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,599
and certainly a boy of four or five

1360
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:30,960
years old

1361
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:34,559
is not going to know about the japanese

1362
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,640
war over the pacific ocean right

1363
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:42,319
wow hello yes are you there

1364
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,400
yeah yep we're still good all right

1365
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,440
and then okay i'm sorry

1366
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,920
i i'm i'm taking too much of your time

1367
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:54,240
yeah go ahead steve go ahead continue

1368
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,640
it's interesting all right anyhow uh

1369
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,960
in one of these after one of these

1370
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,240
nightmares

1371
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,319
his father asked him what's your name

1372
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:05,760
and he gave the name

1373
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,630
and james mccready the kid told his

1374
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:14,400
father

1375
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,799
was a pilot a fighter pilot

1376
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:29,040
do we lose him he's still showing on the

1377
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,240
board lawn so

1378
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,160
i'm not certain what happened there i'm

1379
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:33,599
sorry we got we got caught

1380
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,040
there we are he's back okay uh

1381
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:40,079
his uh mccready

1382
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,520
was a a fighter pilot on

1383
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:45,599
an aircraft carrier called the natoma

1384
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:48,799
bay now the natoma bay

1385
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:51,920
was a very small carrier and

1386
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,640
not not very well known but the boy knew

1387
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:55,680
the

1388
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,839
uh she didn't make meatloaf as good as

1389
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:03,440
they did in the mess hall

1390
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,000
on the natoma bay someone's in trouble

1391
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,200
yeah that that but there

1392
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,720
but the thing is that there are not just

1393
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:16,000
hundreds there are

1394
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,240
thousands of stories like this you know

1395
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,559
you were talking about dreams and the

1396
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,000
you had actually had an experience with

1397
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:29,920
a very

1398
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:33,920
very vivid very well

1399
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,240
the waltz dream can you talk about that

1400
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,720
that's right that's that's fascinating

1401
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,799
it was one of the very few times in my

1402
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,520
life

1403
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,280
that i personally was involved in

1404
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,280
something that could be deemed

1405
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:50,319
paranormal i was

1406
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,160
i went to france with my wife

1407
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,240
and we stayed at the uh

1408
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,640
of the intercontinental hotel which is

1409
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:02,480
just across the street

1410
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:05,760
from the louvre and the louis xiv

1411
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,280
palace now the first

1412
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:12,720
night i was there uh i was dreaming but

1413
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:13,040
i

1414
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:24,960
sounds nor waltz

1415
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,000
sounds but they were playing

1416
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,920
and i'd never heard this waltz before i

1417
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,720
could probably i've since that time i've

1418
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,000
listened to

1419
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,680
hundreds of strauss waltzes and so forth

1420
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,760
but this is none of those this was none

1421
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:41,359
of those waltzes

1422
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,480
and uh it was so intense

1423
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,920
uh that i i thought maybe i could write

1424
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:52,000
the music down when i wake up

1425
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,520
but i couldn't but in that

1426
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,760
with that waltz that waltz was coming

1427
01:00:03,349 --> 00:59:58,960
from

1428
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,359
an alcove above a huge dance floor

1429
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,720
and there were four violinists

1430
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:10,160
in that uh in that alcove

1431
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:13,359
wearing white wigs and long and long

1432
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,240
broke hearted

1433
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:17,520
coats that were playing this music

1434
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,280
and people in what looked to me like a

1435
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:23,280
movie set

1436
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,200
were dancing and i suddenly realized hey

1437
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,880
wait a second

1438
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,040
if they're dancing and i'm standing on

1439
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,240
the side wonder what i look like

1440
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,119
so i turned to someone next to me and i

1441
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:38,799
said do you have a looking

1442
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:41,839
glass now where the hell i came up with

1443
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:42,480
the term

1444
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,319
looking glass i have no idea

1445
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,960
i've never used that term in my life but

1446
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,240
someone handed me a

1447
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:53,200
wood-handled mirror i looked at myself

1448
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:54,319
and i was a

1449
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,880
i was a girl uh probably in my teens

1450
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,160
uh and i was i was dressed

1451
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,520
slightly less uh elaborately than those

1452
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,640
that were dancing but i it was just so

1453
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,520
interesting that i when i woke up

1454
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,359
i wasn't sure whether i should write

1455
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,960
down what the

1456
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,440
dream was or whether i should try and

1457
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,280
write down what the music was it was

1458
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:20,799
just uh

1459
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,119
it was it was a terrible awakening but

1460
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,720
the next day we went to tour the louis

1461
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:29,599
xiv

1462
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:32,880
palace and

1463
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:36,799
when they got to the grand ballroom

1464
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:40,160
it looked very much like the

1465
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,680
ballroom i had seen in my dream except

1466
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,240
that it was not nearly as ornate and

1467
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:47,280
there was no

1468
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:52,720
alcove for violinists to have played

1469
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,079
so i mustered my courage and then

1470
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,960
and i asked the guide i said was there

1471
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:00,160
ever an orchestra

1472
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,920
alcove up there and he said yes there

1473
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:04,559
was

1474
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:07,599
however when the nazis occupied

1475
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,190
now that's as close as i come to being a

1476
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,670
you know you know that's and have you

1477
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:24,400
ever had anything even similar to that

1478
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:24,880
happen

1479
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,240
again no

1480
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,319
unfortunately i would have i mean i

1481
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,160
would have looked forward to it if

1482
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,359
i had i would have probably slept with a

1483
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:36,960
tape recorder

1484
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,319
under my pillow or something yeah

1485
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,880
and it just seems it seems odd that you

1486
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,000
know

1487
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:46,880
you go to someplace new someplace you've

1488
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,440
never

1489
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,720
been i mean in your current life

1490
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:53,039
but possibly had been in a past life or

1491
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:54,640
that you were just picking up

1492
01:03:01,270 --> 01:03:00,309
i don't know some type of memories

1493
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:01,280
thoughts

1494
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,240
see that's the thing that i can't

1495
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,880
i can't prove whether it's whether

1496
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,079
actually

1497
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:13,440
there was a reincarnation physically

1498
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:16,799
or whether the person who's living now

1499
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,680
is merely picking up the thoughts of the

1500
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,280
decedent

1501
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,839
but the the key to it is that it really

1502
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,160
doesn't make any difference

1503
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,200
no because what it means is that the

1504
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:31,280
thought the consciousness

1505
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,150
that that that's that is a fascinating

1506
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,910
um we have a question in in the chat

1507
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,280
room from judy

1508
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,520
where she asks is it a spirit if you

1509
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:48,960
hear someone

1510
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,520
talk loudly in your ear just as you're

1511
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:52,960
falling asleep

1512
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:56,960
what do you believe that is steve

1513
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,400
i don't know i've never had the

1514
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,000
experience and i've never spoken to

1515
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:01,680
anyone who did have it

1516
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:05,839
so i would i would be hesitant to uh

1517
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:08,960
to take a guess as i say my nature is to

1518
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:10,839
look at everything

1519
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:13,839
objectively and try and try and see what

1520
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:16,880
can be proven what can be disproven

1521
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:20,000
uh i have never had that experience i've

1522
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:21,039
never had anyone

1523
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:24,880
even tell me that experience uh

1524
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,280
i now i have worked with clients

1525
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:31,760
uh and i i do know of at least one

1526
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,559
client who

1527
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,880
mentioned that to me but like you i have

1528
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,119
no idea what that was

1529
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:40,160
uh i i you know i do believe

1530
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:43,599
that when we are

1531
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:46,720
going to sleep that there is a

1532
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:50,559
appear a brief period before you go into

1533
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,280
i don't know an unconscious state that

1534
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,200
i guess you're you're susceptible to

1535
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,559
hearing voices

1536
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,319
and i do believe that i do believe

1537
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:01,599
that's the case

1538
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:04,240
uh where they come from you know i kind

1539
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:05,280
of

1540
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,400
that

1541
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,720
you're basically in a state where you

1542
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:12,400
can pick up

1543
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,960
these type of voices now where they come

1544
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:16,960
from that's another story

1545
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,240
come for another dimension possibly uh

1546
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,319
you know does the veil thin enough at

1547
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,720
that point where you can pick that up

1548
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:27,359
or are these or are these uncon are

1549
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,319
these conscious

1550
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:30,960
uh thoughts and memories coming from

1551
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:31,760
this plane

1552
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:34,880
i don't know well you know

1553
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:38,640
since since the eardrum and the optic

1554
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:39,760
nerve

1555
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,960
both seem to uh be

1556
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,119
unnecessary when you're asleep or when

1557
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,280
you're hypnotized

1558
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,280
yeah i would say i would say there's a

1559
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:50,799
possibility

1560
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:54,880
that you're picking up sounds voices

1561
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:58,079
uh maybe even full sentences i don't

1562
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:58,720
know

1563
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,240
but i just can't i can't really

1564
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:05,599
say this with any uh with any

1565
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:08,559
firm backing because i've never ra i've

1566
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:09,119
never

1567
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:21,190
uh do you have anything sean

1568
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,750
uh it's been really fascinating uh i

1569
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,480
learned

1570
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,960
quite a bit i'm really glad that uh

1571
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,760
you've joined us

1572
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:29,039
uh stephen and shared some of these

1573
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:30,160
stories you know one of the things i've

1574
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,520
always thought about

1575
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,440
is you know that feeling where you meet

1576
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:34,799
somebody and you're like oh

1577
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,480
i've met them somewhere before like you

1578
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:38,559
have that deep gut instinct that you've

1579
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:41,440
met them that deja vu i guess is you

1580
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:42,240
know

1581
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,319
that's all got to be relative right

1582
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:49,440
i have had that happen and that has

1583
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,480
happened

1584
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,599
where i meet someone for the first time

1585
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,920
and we're talking and all of a sudden it

1586
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:57,680
strikes me hey wait a minute

1587
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,280
i've had this conversation before

1588
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,720
[Music]

1589
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:05,680
i know when i first went to went off to

1590
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:13,510
i went to new orleans and

1591
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,190
i've never been to new orleans in my

1592
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:17,280
life but i knew where

1593
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,960
everything was in that station

1594
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,640
and i had the strangest feeling that

1595
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:24,799
i've been there before those are deja vu

1596
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:25,760
things but

1597
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,720
i think they're so hard to to

1598
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:30,400
substantiate with

1599
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:34,000
with facts but they but they but they

1600
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,480
certainly

1601
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,079
are things that make you sit up and take

1602
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,069
yeah well i've had the experience that

1603
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:45,039
whether that has happened to me or

1604
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,400
something similar to that

1605
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,240
and you know like you said you can't

1606
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:49,680
really prove it

1607
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,000
uh i mean in your in your own

1608
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,200
own mind you you feel that you know

1609
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:59,119
you can prove it and you feel that it's

1610
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,319
it's

1611
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,240
the the indication is strong enough that

1612
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:04,400
you know it it had to have happened

1613
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,319
you know this is another thing you you

1614
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:08,640
bring up about

1615
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:13,280
the mind and the brain not really being

1616
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,159
one in the same one at all yeah they are

1617
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:17,920
not one and the same

1618
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,080
uh of that i am absolutely

1619
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:26,400
100 certain the mind and the brain are

1620
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:26,719
not

1621
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,920
one if i could yeah could you explain a

1622
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:31,359
little bit of that

1623
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:35,759
sure uh i i look at it this way

1624
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:38,880
your brain is the computer

1625
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:42,400
but your mind is at the keyboard

1626
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:47,040
now the mind we know is not

1627
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:50,719
locatable within the body so

1628
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,839
let's assume that the mind is

1629
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:56,000
anyplace else in the body besides the

1630
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,120
brain

1631
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:00,480
it doesn't make sense to to say well my

1632
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:04,159
my brain is in my toe or in my butt

1633
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,080
the fact is that uh

1634
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:11,440
the mind has to be located external

1635
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,279
to the body because what we call our

1636
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,199
mind is really

1637
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:19,920
just listening to our own voice talk to

1638
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:25,990
and uh if it's

1639
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,239
external where would it be well the only

1640
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,679
thing i can think of

1641
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,400
the only thing that makes sense to me is

1642
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:34,400
that the aura

1643
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:37,759
has our mind our consciousness

1644
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,880
and that's why when someone died and

1645
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,759
they actually

1646
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:44,719
filmed the aura leaving the body and

1647
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,120
going

1648
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,159
through a ceiling

1649
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:51,440
why the consciousness i think stays

1650
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:54,560
alive the consciousness is there it's

1651
01:10:02,070 --> 01:09:55,360
not

1652
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,080
the uh and if it's in the aura and

1653
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:04,159
that's that's as close as i can

1654
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:08,239
come to to theorizing because

1655
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:12,880
that that aura is a mysterious thing

1656
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,480
it really is i mean it's

1657
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,719
we this kind of gets back to uh this

1658
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,239
kind of gets back to a lot of

1659
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:23,440
uh the teachings of edgar cayce and

1660
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:23,920
others

1661
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:27,040
uh in particular the uh the akashic

1662
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,159
records

1663
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,800
where like every you know all

1664
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:31,920
consciousness

1665
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,960
from anyone who has lived and

1666
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:37,679
you know possibly those who have not yet

1667
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:38,640
lived

1668
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:42,840
is stored in one celestial

1669
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,159
database you know it's it's entirely

1670
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:47,920
possible i'm not a

1671
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,040
i'm not a big fan of edgar cayce because

1672
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:54,480
uh when edgar cayce tried to convince

1673
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:55,760
houdini

1674
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:00,560
as a

1675
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:04,560
fraud so i'm not a big fan of edgar

1676
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:05,120
casey

1677
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,719
but that doesn't mean that the man was

1678
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,320
not intelligent

1679
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,239
and it does not mean that the man did

1680
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:11,360
not have

1681
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:15,040
good independent thinking

1682
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:18,880
so i what he what edgar casey had to say

1683
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,360
may

1684
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,400
very well have merit to it it's just

1685
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:28,950
it's just that i can't i kind of

1686
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,600
i kind of feel disappointed because here

1687
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:33,920
there was someone who when i was first

1688
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,040
studying about uh

1689
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,159
the mind and communication with the dead

1690
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,000
he was one of those people that stood

1691
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:43,440
out to me as

1692
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:47,360
uh as being exceptional

1693
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,360
but as i said i one of his disciples

1694
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,719
ruth montgomery uh also

1695
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:57,840
also was proven to be an expert cold

1696
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:01,040
reader but not very psychic

1697
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:05,520
yeah yeah you you you do state

1698
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:09,440
uh that you don't have much uh

1699
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:13,360
regard for psychics uh

1700
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,120
because uh or espoused psychics

1701
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,920
uh and because of what they how they uh

1702
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,440
cold read

1703
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:23,120
and you know i can agree with that i

1704
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,960
mean

1705
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:27,120
people that people that are familiar

1706
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,159
with

1707
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:31,199
uh you know mediums of psychics

1708
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,800
that that use that

1709
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,159
use the cold read i mean it is

1710
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,800
i mean it is what it is it's it's it's

1711
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,480
it's just digging for everybody it is

1712
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,400
convincing

1713
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,520
oh yeah yeah it's very impressive and

1714
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:49,600
convincing and i know people

1715
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,800
that i've that i have been with at a

1716
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,760
reading that i

1717
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,600
could spot immediately it was a cold

1718
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,920
reading and i would swear

1719
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,719
that the man was actually peeling back

1720
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,640
their own thoughts

1721
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,280
oh i agree oh yeah it is impressive

1722
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,280
you're right i mean i've

1723
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,360
i've seen maybe hundreds of people do

1724
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:10,640
this

1725
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,159
and even i've heard people do it and it

1726
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:17,440
it doesn't take a whole lot to to figure

1727
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,080
out when they're

1728
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,120
digging for information but you know

1729
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,760
like you said when when they're in front

1730
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:24,800
of a group of

1731
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:28,159
people uh uh and

1732
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,199
to say something to the effect of i am

1733
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,320
seeing someone who lost someone with the

1734
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:35,280
name

1735
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:38,800
that begins with a j well yeah come on

1736
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:41,360
everybody's lost somebody and i'd say

1737
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,960
half of them

1738
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,440
uh had somebody they lost with the the

1739
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:46,400
letter j

1740
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,590
yeah it's it's an obvious it's an

1741
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,120
obvious

1742
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,199
employee well if you've ever watched if

1743
01:14:03,110 --> 01:13:59,600
you've ever watched

1744
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,120
james van pragg or uh

1745
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,440
oh i don't even remember his name

1746
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,199
anymore but uh

1747
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:10,800
these tv these tv people who

1748
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,320
uh communicate with the dead uh

1749
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:16,159
i think the dead that's the deadest

1750
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:25,430
yeah yeah oh my

1751
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:29,040
uh let's see you know i was writing

1752
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:30,800
stuff down to ask

1753
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,239
you know i you know

1754
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,159
let's talk about stephen ellis what do

1755
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,760
you believe what do you believe is gonna

1756
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:38,800
happen to you

1757
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,080
in when you uh

1758
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:45,280
pass away do you think you have free

1759
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,400
will to determine

1760
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,440
what happens to you yeah to a certain

1761
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,640
extent yes

1762
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:52,560
but i think that basically what's going

1763
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,040
to happen when i die

1764
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:58,400
is i'm going to get a chance to review

1765
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,159
some of the things i did when i was

1766
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,280
alive okay i mean i

1767
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:06,640
i i have not always been a nice

1768
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:09,760
perfect clean skirt person i've done

1769
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,159
some things that i'm ashamed of

1770
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,560
and i want to and i think that when i

1771
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,520
die i'll get a chance to review them

1772
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:20,560
and if i decide to come back i'll come

1773
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:21,520
back

1774
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:29,590
and i think if if the things that i've

1775
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,480
done are not

1776
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,840
too bad because you know i said that

1777
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,679
i've done some things that are not

1778
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:38,640
that are not necessarily the best we all

1779
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:39,360
have

1780
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,040
everybody has uh

1781
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,000
but i think we i think we get a chance

1782
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,080
to review it

1783
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,560
see if we're ready to move on you know

1784
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:51,360
the old

1785
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,440
light

1786
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,000
maybe there's something to that yeah

1787
01:16:03,590 --> 01:15:59,679
just maybe

1788
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,600
uh because if if you have the chance

1789
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:07,040
to rectify or correct those

1790
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,800
things that you did that were not so

1791
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:10,080
good when you were

1792
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,000
alive maybe now you have that chance

1793
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,239
to correct them and move toward the

1794
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,640
dimension that's in the light

1795
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,040
that's a hell of a thought i don't know

1796
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:23,920
and i probably won't know for a while

1797
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,360
well you know you mentioned biocentrism

1798
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,560
um as you know

1799
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:32,960
something that is related to string

1800
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:35,199
theory or quantum mechanics

1801
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,760
uh and that the consciousness

1802
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:42,400
continues to exist after our body dies

1803
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,440
now i just

1804
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,199
you know and i do believe that i really

1805
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,120
do believe that but

1806
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,199
like i asked you i you know what

1807
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:51,600
direction does it go

1808
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:54,719
after it you know is it

1809
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,600
well of course the super strength theory

1810
01:17:03,430 --> 01:16:59,600
is just the latest

1811
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:03,440
in uh theory of physicists as to

1812
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:07,280
creation what our universe is about

1813
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:11,120
but for example the superstring

1814
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,360
physicists now say they can actually

1815
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:18,880
measure the movement

1816
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,159
of energy into a into a different

1817
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:25,600
dimension now

1818
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:28,880
you know when i was a kid i was told

1819
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:29,679
that

1820
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,040
the earth was created when another star

1821
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:36,159
passed close to our sun and pulled gases

1822
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:37,120
from it

1823
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:41,199
and they globalized and became planets

1824
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,520
then of course after that there was the

1825
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,440
uh

1826
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,199
oh i can't even think of the big bang

1827
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,760
theory and there was

1828
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,679
oh god i can't even think of so many

1829
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,280
theories as to how we

1830
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:56,239
came to be but i think this thing has

1831
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,640
this

1832
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:59,120
i think the super strength theory has

1833
01:18:03,030 --> 01:17:59,920
some very

1834
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,040
interesting merit because if they can

1835
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:05,920
measure the energy going to some place

1836
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:09,280
that we can't see feel hear taste

1837
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,040
touch uh then

1838
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,760
that's proof of another dimension uh i

1839
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,840
had a i had a an interesting experience

1840
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:19,520
just the other day

1841
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,120
when someone said uh well i believe that

1842
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:24,719
there's another dimension

1843
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,390
and i said well what can you do to prove

1844
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:32,960
that he says i can't he says but

1845
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,159
it just makes sense that rather than

1846
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,280
be someplace that we're not maybe it's

1847
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,120
the same place that we are it's just

1848
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:44,159
that it's not sensitive to our five

1849
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,110
so you know there is so much lon

1850
01:18:55,149 --> 01:18:53,120
you have done a remark excuse me for

1851
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,159
saying so that you have done a

1852
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:57,840
remarkable job on phantoms and mar

1853
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,790
you really i mean you've you've brought

1854
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:05,920
so many

1855
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,719
things to for people to read and to

1856
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:10,640
study and to look into

1857
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,760
uh it's not just

1858
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,840
i mean sure there are some of those

1859
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:17,760
things that people write to you about

1860
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,400
that

1861
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,880
sound like they came from outer space

1862
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,760
but

1863
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,719
the fact is that you have done an

1864
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:26,800
absolutely outstanding

1865
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,120
job and i i personally would commend you

1866
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:34,159
anyone who asked well i i really

1867
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:35,679
appreciate that

1868
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:38,719
stephen i know you and i have uh

1869
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,120
have known each other on facebook i

1870
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,719
don't mean yours now

1871
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,719
several years and i know you've been a

1872
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:47,280
reader of the blog and i i do appreciate

1873
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:50,800
your thoughts um so how can people get

1874
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,440
in contact with you steve uh

1875
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,840
uh well of course of course i'm hopeful

1876
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,000
that people will buy my book

1877
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:00,640
explaining the unexplained which is

1878
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,280
available

1879
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:04,159
on amazon and at barnes and noble and in

1880
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:10,229
i i'm hoping that they will read it

1881
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,440
because

1882
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:14,400
nothing that i put in there is said with

1883
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:15,280
a

1884
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:28,159
i

1885
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:31,600
happen

1886
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:35,520
people can keep people can contact me by

1887
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:39,040
email at steve rell s t e

1888
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,159
be like boy r e l at aol.com

1889
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:47,760
i i have never refused to

1890
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:51,040
respond to an email i i sometimes i'll

1891
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,800
spend the whole weekend responding to

1892
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:54,080
emails

1893
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,679
but i will never not respond to one

1894
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,440
because it means to me that someone's

1895
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,520
interested enough to ask

1896
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:04,400
that's right that's it there you are

1897
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,120
well i

1898
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,600
i thank you for coming up with us uh

1899
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:09,679
it's been a long time

1900
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,880
in in the making but uh

1901
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,600
it was fascinating and i i'm sure we're

1902
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:17,760
gonna hear from you again

1903
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,080
well i'd be i'd be pleased to be a guest

1904
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,320
again

1905
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:23,920
all right here we are there's stephen

1906
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:26,320
ellis thanks again stephen

1907
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:29,199
all right i thank you lon you take care

1908
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:29,600
now

1909
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:33,040
wow what a show lots of information

1910
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:33,679
there

1911
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,120
really good stuff yeah i you know

1912
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:40,159
i i i asked the readers if they're

1913
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,360
still people listening they're

1914
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:43,600
interested go to the go to the blog

1915
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,080
uh and uh

1916
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,280
look for the uh live diet

1917
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:54,080
live again series that i've been running

1918
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:54,400
on

1919
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:58,400
remarkable

1920
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:03,669
yeah it's a lot of good stuff in there

1921
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,880
and uh

1922
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,480
it got me thinking about a lot of

1923
01:22:09,629 --> 01:22:08,000
different things that i never really

1924
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:09,639
thought about but his

1925
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:13,440
experiences uh especially that

1926
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,199
the the waltz that that situation i uh

1927
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,920
you know i'm one of these people that i

1928
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:21,679
do not remember my dreams

1929
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,719
but when i do remember one

1930
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:27,199
it's normally something that's very very

1931
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,400
unusual

1932
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,880
something that's much out of the

1933
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:32,320
ordinary

1934
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,080
and uh i usually try to write it down

1935
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,120
and get some information on it because

1936
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,320
uh it's something that's not the norm

1937
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,520
for me

1938
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,120
and i imagine that's the same with a lot

1939
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:46,719
of people that they just don't remember

1940
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,360
their

1941
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,120
they know they they went through

1942
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:50,560
something in you know while they were

1943
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,280
sleeping

1944
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,800
but they can't remember i remember the

1945
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,400
important ones myself the ones that

1946
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:55,600
really resonate

1947
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:58,880
that have meaning yeah yeah but

1948
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:02,480
uh next week stan gordon

1949
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:06,000
ah stan comes back and uh he's got a new

1950
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,000
book out called astounding encounters

1951
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,960
and he's got a few new stories from the

1952
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,800
state of pennsylvania

1953
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,400
uh got to spend some time with him last

1954
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,400
week at the mothman festival

1955
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,239
and yeah you did yeah you did you

1956
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,000
mentioned that i uh i talked

1957
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,199
uh briefly with him and uh you know

1958
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:26,960
there's one thing i do want to mention

1959
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,239
and uh this is

1960
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:32,400
this is on a personal note i want to

1961
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,000
thank each and every

1962
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:37,120
person who has been

1963
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,639
supporting myself my family and

1964
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:43,199
especially my wife vanessa

1965
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,239
uh who was diagnosed with cancer back in

1966
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:49,920
january uh she's been going through

1967
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,120
a lot and i i you know

1968
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,159
she's the chemo has really

1969
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,960
taken a toll on her but she's getting

1970
01:24:03,669 --> 01:23:59,679
through it

1971
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:03,679
uh she's getting much better

1972
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:06,880
and uh the fact that

1973
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:10,000
so many people stepped forward and

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donated money and their time

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and efforts and thoughts and prayers

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meant so much to us and we are

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internally grateful well i think i could

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speak for the listeners

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and myself on where we thank you for

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continuing to come on here every week

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and

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you have so much going on in your own

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life taking that a part of your

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you know that time away to spend some

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time with us each and every week we

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really appreciate that too

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and i'm sure all our listeners would

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personally say you're quite welcome

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and uh thank you and for me it's a

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pleasure being your sidekick here each

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and every week

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and we're going to keep doing this until

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we can't do it anymore but

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i'm so glad to hear that vanessa's doing

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well and that uh

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you yourself are in and better health

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and better spirits yeah well i just

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wanted to mention something you know i

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really haven't said anything on the

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radio about it but i i figured it was

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time to do that

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uh i've said enough on the blog

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so um i just wanted to mention that so

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next week folks stan gordon will be

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joining us

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uh we're going to be talking about a lot

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of different things

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uh uh stan's aware of some of the

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uh situations we've been investigating

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lately

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so we're going to talk about a few

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things and it should be very

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entertaining

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yeah and before we go there's a couple

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things you know lon and i always talk

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about stewardship

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being very important a part of what we

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do uh

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you know we live in a very uh unfair

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world sometimes so i want you folks take

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some time go to feedingamerica.org

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feedamerica.org you can find the links

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on our website arcaneradio.com

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uh and support uh you know children who

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you know don't know where their next

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meals are coming from and

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you know we were doing uh commercials

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earlier in the year for the national

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suicide awareness

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we're going to be running those

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commercials again very soon uh it's time

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for us to get back a little bit

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to uh each and every one of you into the

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communities we belong to

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and just i guess i'll leave us with this

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final thought

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that the world's a better place and we

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think a little bit less of ourselves and

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more about each other

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so we'll see you next week folks take